We were doing a baby photo shoot today, and our friend Courtney brought some props we couldn’t resist putting on the girls.
We hope you enjoy! We can’t stop laughing.
We were doing a baby photo shoot today, and our friend Courtney brought some props we couldn’t resist putting on the girls.
We hope you enjoy! We can’t stop laughing.
Our dogs are also loving the beef mixture we picked up locally for 50 cents a pound. They anxiously await it and then devour it.
Our main bone source has been chicken carcasses, which the dogs love, but they don’t have a lot of meat content and, at one pound each, the bone content was a little high. But the price is great, 50 cents a pound. The place we have been ordering them from sells chicken backs and necks, which are meatier, but they are over a buck a pound, I think around $1.69.
We found a local raw dog food supplier that sells meaty back and necks for about 70 cents a pound. Though it’s higher than the 50 cents a pound we were paying, there is a lot more meat on these bones. And they still have some of that organ meat attached. Because we were first-time customers, the supplier gave us a sample pack of something she calls breeder’s mix. It is ground, bone-in chicken, beef offal and beef tripe and comes in four pound tubs. She gave us four tubs, so 16 pounds, along with our 40 pound box of chicken backs/necks. We got 81 pieces in the box and split it up into 6-piece packages. So that will make up the bone portion of the dogs’ meals for three days each. The pieces weigh about a quarter pound each, so serve that up with 2-2.5 pounds of the beef mixture we scored or the free breeders mix and you have some happy dogs.
On a non-diet note, it has been mayhem around here these days.
Miss Piggy is becomming a woman. She is not yet bleeding, but she is swollen and Mr. Nico cannot keep his nose, tongue or whatever else part of him away from her.
Last night was even worse, we went to Barb and Joe’s for dinner, but because we stained the stairs at home and the house was smelly, we didn’t want to crate the pups while we were gone. So we brought them along and had an interesting evening. As you can guess, Tessa and Izzie are in heat as well, fully. Nico started to make these weird whiney noises and couldn’t control himself. We had the situation under control, as we do at home with the horny male and female living under one roof. But let me say, I cannot wait until this is over!!!
The girls have been loving the new food find! This mixture has a lot of beef with organ in it & they LOVE it! I can hardly get out my door with it while they are trying to get at it:) Now we are in good shape with our beef. We are trying a new chicken source this Wednesday who guarantees their backs to be meaty. We will let you know how it looks when Amanda picks it up for us on her way home from work!
Our son Jason stopped by today with fresh caught fish for the girls but the Diva’s turned it down! It might be due to the fact that the fillets were missing! Will try again another time.
Pictures coming…I tried today with the fish but my battery was dead just like the fish!
So, we are a little late on posting the biweekly weigh in results. Dave and Joe got lost in a renovation project and were too exhausted to hold the dogs on the scale. So we are posting them now.
Here are the facts:
Weight: Day 1: 99.5 lbs. | 2 weeks: 102 | 1 month: 103 | 1 month 2 weeks: 101.5
Waist: Day 1: 23 inches | 2 weeks: 24 | 1 month: 24 | 1 month 2 weeks: 24
Weight: Day 1: 97.7 lbs. | 2 weeks: 95 | 1 month: 99 | 1 month 2 weeks: 99.5
Waist: Day 1: 24.5 in | 2 weeks: 22.5 | 1 month: 25 | 1 month 2 weeks: 25
Weight: Day 1: 94 lbs. | 2 weeks: 95 | 1 month: 96 | 1 month 2 weeks: 100
Waist: Day 1: 26.5 in | 2 weeks: 95 | 1 month: 26.5 | 1 month 2 weeks: 26.
Waist: Day 1: 87 lbs. | 2 weeks: 86 .5 | 1 month: 89 | 1 month 2 weeks: n90.5
Waist: Day 1: 22 inches | 2 weeks: 21.5 |1 month: 22 | 1 month 2 weeks: 22.5
Nico is the only one to show weight loss. He lost half a pound, not too worried there. We were hoping to see he had bulked up more, he has been looking nice and bulky. But oh well. Not going to sweat over a lost half pound. He looks healthy and is eating his proper proportion. This is his first weigh in with weight loss, each of the girls had previously lost weight. He is still up two pounds since hte start and has gained an inch in his waist that he has stayed steady at.
We were thinking Isis was going to for sure weigh at least 100 pounds, but she came it just shy of that. If Nico doesn’t put on some weight she is going to catch up to him. She has gained two pounds and a half an inch since we started.
Tessa is in the triple digits. She is 100 pounds on the nose. She is up an impressive 6.5 pounds since we made the diet switch however she dropped a half an inch in the waist. She is in heat so Barb thinks it’s water retention.
Izzie is out of the 80s! She is up 3.5 pounds from the beginning, which is now more than she gained in the six months prior to switching to raw diet. That is six weeks compared to six months! And she is up a half inch in the waist. Izzie is also in heat, so water retention could play an issue there too. We won’t be surprised if there is no siginficant change at the next weigh in.
So we are happy with the raw meaty bones diet six weeks in. We have seen our dogs gain weight. We have seen whiter smiles. For the most part we have had no stinky breath, no farts and small poops. However, with the two girls in heat, and Isis on her way, farting and runny poops have returned. But for the most we are seeing the benefits of a raw diet.
And now the believer story:
We have been saying for a while now that Isis seems to move better since switching to raw. We didn’t want to jinx it ,which is why we didn’t immediately blog about it. But it seems to be improving every day. Barb wasn’t buying it. But she is officially a believer. Isis was over the other day and came running up the steps and leaping through the yeard. She looked like a new dog.
It could be that her growing pains are over. They are supposed to grow out of pano, so could it be coincidence? Yes. But the timing was so perfect it seems like raw must have played some part in this. One of the benefits of raw we were hoping to see most was joint improvement. We had read about dogs riddled with arthritis suddenly turning back into a rambunctious puppy. We wanted our puppy to be a puppy. And now she is a puppy.
Barb hit the phone lines today to source meat. She found a few leads we are hoping to follow up on. Some prices were a little out of line, like $2.69 a pound for tongue that we can get at our regular spot for 99 cents a pound. But we found a few that seem worth looking more into. The meat cubes (a mix of beef and beef organs frozen in a cube) we are currently paying $1.69 a pound are available a half hour away for 50 cents a pound, so we are going to be making a dog food road trip soon. We also found a source where we can get meaty chicken backs for 50 cents a pound, which is the same price we are paying for not-so-meaty chicken carcasses. We have it worked out that the bone content, organ content and 30 per cent of the meat content to make up one dog’s daily diet can be sourced for $62 cents, which leaves us with 38 cents to cover the remaining meat proportion. So we are going to see what we can do. If we can get the dog’s daily diet to cost between $1-1.25, we are happy.
Fingers crossed for us!!! We might have to start looking at frezzers lol!
So Nico has been fine since the other night. Instead of giving him pork belly, we have been giving him beef tongue. Even that same night, after he flat our refused the pork, and even looked afraid of it, he happily slurped the tongue down.
Breakfast today was tongue for both pups and dinner was a chicken carcass each.
We bought more meat today! We really need to make time to get in touch with local butchers and farmers to cut back on cost. It can be done, we just need to find the time!! Which. as you can all can surely agree, is pretty precious these days. But then again, so is money.
Today we bought a box of carcasses and ordered a box of chicken necks and backs. We also bought more beef liver, chicken gizzards and hearts, beef and chicken cubes, turkey necks and pigs feet (one for each dog – Nico seems to enjoy these). The place we went to had a bag of beef snouts for $2 something … but it just seems wrong. So we passed.
Dogs were happy with their dinner tonight.
Nico is not into dinner tonight.
I chopped up the pork belly and threw in some beef liver. Isis was instantly into it. She slurped it up happily, looking up as if to say, “please mom, can I have some more.” But when I looked from her to Nico, I was shocked to see he had only nosed around in his food. He wasn’t into it.
I tried dumping it on the ground. He came to sniff, licked it a few times, but wasn’t too into it. Tried hand feeding him, again, not interested. Dave was just outside with him trying to get him to eat. He would take the food and drop it on the ground.
He just might not like pork.
After the first night of pork, Nico had his first raw puke. It was not pleasant.
The next morning he had his second raw puke. This one was downright scary …. bile with small pieces of chicken bone. It was very scary to see that. I started to think about how safe is this feeding of raw bone? The pieces that came up were small and sharp, major choking hazards. So we have been keeping an eye on him.
We are starting to think he doesn’t like pork. Doesn’t explain why he turned down the beef liver, unless he is one of those “I need to keep my food separate, if it touches, I can’t eat it” kinda guys. I doubt it. He loved cheese or whatever kind of left overs in his kibble. So we are thinking he has an issue with pork.
Isis seems to love it, so no worries there. She can eat his share and we will stick him to chicken and beef for now.
The Dining Diva’s are still not able to get the hang of this diet! The pork belly meat we got them was cut into long 1 pound strips. The “Diva’s” just will not deal with their meal not being served in bite sized pieces!! I now realize this raw diet has to appear as if it came from the store for them!!! I have to cut the big pieces into smaller more manageable sizes for them! Diva’s!!
The cat loves to taste test for them!
Dinner: Cat approved & Diva ready.
Menu: Pork belly cut into pieces with a topping of beef liver.
Glad to report they loved it:)
We just finished bagging 20 lbs of pork belly, on sale at a local butcher for 99 cents a pound, not ideal price but not bad for meat, four lbs of beef liver, two beef tongues and a few pork necks. We cut the pork belly into big long strips so the dogs can work at them, pulling the meat.
Our plan is to feed each of the dogs one pound of pork for one meal and then a half chicken carcass with some slips of liver as the second meal. Not necessarily feed that every day, but just as an example of what we are doing. Raw Meaty Bones diets should consist of 10 per cent bone, 10 per cent organ and 80 per cent meat. So the combination of pork meat, chicken with bones and organs we are planning to feed should meet those requirements. We can sub the tongue in for pork as it is considered muscle meat along with heart. So we are prettty set for a while.
We both spent about $18 on “dog food”. And this should last more than a week. So you figure $20 a week for two dogs, times four weeks, so roughly $80 a month. Prior to raw, we were each going through at least two bags of kibble a month, for two dogs. At $35 a bag, we were spending around $70 a month.
So right now, we are little over that. But liking our results. So is the extra cost worth it? Yes. 100 per cent. Can we do better on cost? Yes. And that is our focus going forward. We are going to be contacting area butchers, farmers and other sources to try and get our cost below 50 cents a pound.
Barb found a great deal on whole chickens and decided to treat the girls. They love carcass, so why not carcass plus meat. She got home excited to hand the dogs their treat. She handed each a bird, which they each quickly spit out on the deck like it was poison. She had to pick them up and throw them on the lawn, but still neither dog would look at it. So she picked them up, exposed the breast, took chunks of the flesh and opened it up to give the girls an idea. Still nothing. So she took them away.
Only to be Joe’s problem in the morning. Joe had to pretend he was eating the dead birds to entice them to go near it. They picked at it for a while, off and on, until Nico and Isis came over.
Nico went over looked at it first, nobody cared. He left it and went on to play with his girlfriend, Tessa.
Then Isis found the meat. She wandered over and started licking it. She ate most of one carcass. The other is still in the backyard.
Another strange story from Tessa. She took a piece of tongue and buried it in a section of leaves in the dog run. But that didn’t protect it from Izzie, the meat hound. So Tessa lucked out. Her plan didn’t work. Does anyone else’s dog do this? Why is she buryin g it? Is it better a few days later? If only they could talk … sometimes.
Nico and Isis don’t seem to be too into the chicken carcasses lately. They eat them, but they aren’t nearlyas excited as they used to be. Isis doesn’t bounce in anticipation. They sit, they wait, and then when the meal is presented for them, they sniff it, lick it, take their time, they might grab it, if not you have to drop it on the ground. Eventually they each put a carcass in their mouth, run to their spots and eat their meal. But they aren’t as excited. They still get excited for the other stuff, so hopefully they will be into the pork we bought and get excited about breakfast and dinner again.
Isis hasn’t puked since the anniversary dinner. So that is good. As for her suspected pano, she still doesn’t seem to be limping. It is now a rare occasion rather than a regular sight. That in itself makes all of this worth it for us. Seeing her no longer struggle to be a puppy.
We did it! We made it to the one-month mark. Our dogs have been enjoying an all meaty bones diet for an entire month. We have braved an entire month of handling animal organs and carcasses to our hungry, happy dogs. And we have a lot to show for it.
Unlike the last weigh in, we had no fears that our dogs would nudge the needle forward. We have noticed weight gain in all four dogs, especially Nico, who is starting to look like a dog and not a little puppy. So we were eagerly awaiting the weigh in, of course, after we enjoyed our steak dinner a la Barb.
So the results are in. One month in to a raw diet all four dogs are showing weight gain. Even the puppies, who at the two-week mark had lost weight, have passed their starting weight. Good news!!
Mind the photos, we had the professional photographer (Amanda) but not the professional handlers. So if you are into conformation, which is what we do with our dogs, mind their stack.
Starting weight:99.5 lbs — Starting waist: 23
Weight at 2 weeks into raw diet: 102 — Waist at 2 weeks: 24
Weight at 1 month into raw diet: 103 —- Waist at 1 month: 24
Starting weight: 97.7 lbs — Starting waist: 24.5
Weight at 2 weeks: 95.5 — Waist at 2 weeks: 22.5
Weight at 1 month: 99 — Waist at one month: 25
Starting weight: 94 — Starting waist: 26.5
Weight at 2 weeks: 95 — Waist at 2 weeks: 25
Weight at 1 month: 96 — Waist at 1 month: 26.5
Starting weight: 87 — Starting waist: 22
Weight at 2 weeks: 86 — Waist at 2 weeks: 21.5
Weight at 1 month: 89 — Waist at 1 month: 22
All of the dogs are doing great. We can’t say we are disappointed in today’s results. The dogs are happy, healthy and starting to fill out.
Izzie weight 84 lbs. on Sept. 30. When we started this diet, one month ago, Izzie weighed 87 lbs. In the five months that Izzie had last been weighed, in which she was fed a traditional, dry kibble diet, she gained only three pounds. On a raw diet, Izzie has gained three pounds in just one month.
The dogs are still drinking less. They have more energy. They fart and poop less, sorry to be crude, but dog people do talk about poop, it’s an important indicator, especially when feeding raw. They no longer have a lingering fish breath, in fact, they really have no breath smell at all. Their teeth appear whiter. Their eyes are less runny. Their coats are all shiny.
Tessa is still having a hard time with the adjustment. The other day, Barb took both the girls dinner, tripe and carcass. Tessa happily took the tripe out of the dish and ate it. However, when that was done, she looked at Barb in disgust. It was like “what do you want me to do with this?” So Barb came in, noticed Izzie was finished and went to check on Tessa. She was still in the same spot, with the same look, food untouched. So she walked over, flipped it out of the dish and she picked it up and happily finished her meal. She is a princess that dog. She is not quite sure how she wants her table set I guess.
Over the weekend, Tessa had a little incident. She consumed pork bones at both breakfast and dinner, and managed to bring both back up. And we aren’t talking a small puke. They were pretty nasty. Caused us worry, but she appeared to be fine. She was not lathargic or acting strange, she was acting like regular Tessa, happy. Isis had one other incident, a small bile-like puke after eating turkey necks again.
The other dogs, however, all happily dig in.
Isis shows improvements in her movements. We had previously blogged that Isis was limping a lot less then before raw. And that continues to be the case. Depending on her activities of the day, she can go an entire day without showing any weakness. If she has a play day, when all four dogs are running together, she tends to be slower later on in the evening., But that has lessened. She is quicker to go upstairs, however, she still does her bizarre hop down the stairs. It makes Dave and I so happy seeing her out of pain. She would break our hearts, break everyone’s hearts, when she would limp around. You could always see in her eyes that she just wanted to play like the other dogs. Now she can!
We are coming up to the point when we will be able to do a one-day shop and bag. We realized last time that if we order everything at once we can freeze whole meals for the dog. So we plan to do that one day soon as we are running low on food. Should be a fun afternoon.
Just as we were brainstorming about what else to share, something to share happened.
Barb looked under the table to see a pile of puke. We weren’t exactly sure which of the four dogs it came from, but Isis was pretty frothy and is now gulping down some water. So we are 99 per cent sure it was her. So I guess we should be reporting that she weighs 98 lbs. then. Poor pupster. She is fine though. Just as Tessa was the other day. She is tail-wagging happy. You would never know her entire dinner just came back to haunt her. If only humans could be bounce back as fast as dogs!!
This incident highlights another issue. We go through SO many paper towels. When you feed raw, you get a little paranoid. I mean, you are dealing with raw meat and you want to ensure you aren’t spreading bacteria in your home. And so paper towels become your right hand. You use it wipe the counter down, along with the Clorox, wipe your hands, wipe the floor … and, clean up the puke. So along with needing to continue to source local butchers and grocers, we need to find the best deals on paper towels. Luckily, Amanda is looking into that with her new coupon addiction. If only there were coupons for all the bits and pieces of animals that we feed our dogs!! The search continues for that one. With ongoing renovation projects at both of our homes, finding time to contact local butchers and farmers is difficult. And so has blogging, sorry about that!! We will try to stay on top of it from now on.
To compare the dogs’ current photos to the ones taken at the start of the Raw Experiment, click here http://therawexperiment.blog.com/2012/02/08/hello-world/
Finally! Technical difficulties are over and we have a computer back!
So now we have no excuse but to get back to daily blogging! Well not too much has changed since two days ago. Dogs appear to bulking up a bit. Their teeth are also continuing to look brighter.
Dogs ate a yummy breakfast of stuffed chicken carcasses. They were chalk full of things like liver, gizzards, ribs, tongue (quite gross) and other yummy bits. They both picked the good stuff out and left the carcass until last. They had a bit of a difficult time with rib bones. They were enjoying them, but couldn’t seem to get to the bottom of it. Seems like it is better for a day when they are going to be outside longer (spring, summer — are we there yet?).
For dinner they each had one and a half chicken backs with necks,
Have to grab tomorrow’s breakfast out of the freezer shortly. We are out of cubes so I think it will be a mix of tripe and meaty pieces.